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Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #250363] Di, 04 April 2006 17:39
sphira9343  
8'FED wrote:

> ERIC IDLE in the roles of ERIC JARVIS and CCA

I don't know about Eric, but I think I'd rather like the Spanish
Inquisition to play me! *g*

CCA
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #250494 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 02:36
Flesh-eating Dragon  
CCA wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
>
>> ERIC IDLE in the roles of ERIC JARVIS and CCA
>
> I don't know about Eric, but I think I'd rather like the Spanish
> Inquisition to play me! *g*

Huh? How can you be played by three or four people simultaneously?

The Inquisition was headed by Palin. Is that what you mean?

Adrian.
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #250537 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 12:07
geminii  
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:06:31 +0930, "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:

>Huh? How can you be played by three or four people simultaneously?

Boss! You disguised yourself as the Goodies!
Re: Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #250598 ] Mi, 05 April 2006 20:09
sphira9343  
8'FED wrote:
> CCA wrote:
> > 8'FED wrote:

> >> ERIC IDLE in the roles of ERIC JARVIS and CCA

> > I don't know about Eric, but I think I'd rather like the Spanish
> > Inquisition to play me! *g*

> Huh? How can you be played by three or four people simultaneously?

I hadn't considered that bit when I posted, but I do like the idea of
being something no-one expects. Possibly.
CCA
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #250745 ] Do, 06 April 2006 09:01
aqusenet  
8'FED <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:

> CCA wrote:
> > 8'FED wrote:
> >
> >> ERIC IDLE in the roles of ERIC JARVIS and CCA
> >
> > I don't know about Eric, but I think I'd rather like the Spanish
> > Inquisition to play me! *g*
>
> Huh? How can you be played by three or four people simultaneously?
>
> The Inquisition was headed by Palin. Is that what you mean?

We have ways of making you grin.



That said, that is the fourth or so time someone's attempted to cast me
as Michael Palin or vice versa, which is getting beyond coincidence.
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #250974 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 12:40
Flesh-eating Dragon  
CCA wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
>> CCA wrote:
>> > 8'FED wrote:
>
>> >> ERIC IDLE in the roles of ERIC JARVIS and CCA
>
>> > I don't know about Eric, but I think I'd rather like the Spanish
>> > Inquisition to play me! *g*
>
>> Huh? How can you be played by three or four people simultaneously?
>
> I hadn't considered that bit when I posted, but I do like the idea of
> being something no-one expects. Possibly.

Don't quite understand what you mean by "that bit", but never mind.

On the 30th anniversary documentary, Palin describes the type of women
that the actors typically played. In his words, "I wasn't such a good
woman. Terry was a very good woman - a lovely sort of homely, mum-like
figure. Eric was this slightly sort-of exotic sort-of spinster who'd
had a bit of a naughty time sometime in her life. And John was just
this sort of real sort of <laughs> how can I describe it, really?"

Idle describes Jones as typically playing "the ratbag woman".

Adrian.
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #250975 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 12:42
Flesh-eating Dragon  
geminii [at] tpg.com.au wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:
>
>>Huh? How can you be played by three or four people simultaneously?
>
> Boss! You disguised yourself as the Goodies!

Someone! Fetch the Goodies!

Adrian.
Re: Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #250976 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 12:46
sphira9343  
8'FED wrote:
> CCA wrote:
> > 8'FED wrote:
> >> CCA wrote:
> >> > 8'FED wrote:

> >> >> ERIC IDLE in the roles of ERIC JARVIS and CCA

> >> > I don't know about Eric, but I think I'd rather like the Spanish
> >> > Inquisition to play me! *g*

> >> Huh? How can you be played by three or four people simultaneously?

> > I hadn't considered that bit when I posted, but I do like the idea of
> > being something no-one expects. Possibly.

> Don't quite understand what you mean by "that bit", but never mind.

I hadn't considered the problems that three chaps trying to play one
woman might cause. Unless they took it in turns.
CCA
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #250982 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 12:56
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Aquarion wrote:
> 8'FED wrote:

> That said, that is the fourth or so time someone's attempted to cast me
> as Michael Palin or vice versa, which is getting beyond coincidence.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Eric Idle explains that John Cleese played "the cruel, heartless
bastard", Micheal Palin "the sweet and slightly ineffective lower
middle class person", and himself (Idle) "cheeky people or people who
are insanely optimistic".

In an interview situation, Micheal Palin comes across as the most
laid-back and gentle of the four.

An indispensible link is, of course:
http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/justthewords.htm

Adrian.
Re: Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251062 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 20:42
steelcat  
In article <1144406760.242282.304400 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
"CCA" <sphira9343 [at] aol.com> wrote:

>I hadn't considered the problems that three chaps trying to play one
>woman might cause. Unless they took it in turns.

I seem to remember a Benny Hill sketch starring a woman with enormous
boobs... which turned out to be the tops of two small bald men.

Cat.
--
Jazz-Loving Soul Mate and Tolerable Frog to CCA
And he drove the fastest milkcart in the west...
Re: Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251071 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 21:15
pjamison2  
"The Stainless Steel Cat" <steelcat [at] atuin.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:C05C710E9668EA97D0 [at] 192.168.0.2...
> In article <1144406760.242282.304400 [at] u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com>,
> "CCA" <sphira9343 [at] aol.com> wrote:
>
>>I hadn't considered the problems that three chaps trying to play one
>>woman might cause. Unless they took it in turns.
>
> I seem to remember a Benny Hill sketch starring a woman with enormous
> boobs... which turned out to be the tops of two small bald men.
>

Melons, some sort of dessert - it seemed to be a common gag for Benny Hill
and still a funny one.

--

Paul E. Jamison

"I traveled to a planet with no bilateral symmetry
and all I got was this lousy F-shirt."
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251072 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 21:19
pjamison2  
"8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote in message
news:e15gg7$2fvj$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
> Aquarion wrote:
>> 8'FED wrote:
>
>> That said, that is the fourth or so time someone's attempted to cast me
>> as Michael Palin or vice versa, which is getting beyond coincidence.
>
> Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
>
> Eric Idle explains that John Cleese played "the cruel, heartless
> bastard", Micheal Palin "the sweet and slightly ineffective lower
> middle class person", and himself (Idle) "cheeky people or people who
> are insanely optimistic".
>
> In an interview situation, Micheal Palin comes across as the most
> laid-back and gentle of the four.
>
I agree with this. I've watched many of his travel documentaries and he
always comes across as a friendly fellow. Somehow I can't picture him
releasing a video named "How to Irritate People".

> An indispensible link is, of course:
> http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/justthewords.htm
>
Thank you for the link.

--

Paul E. Jamison

"I traveled to a planet with no bilateral symmetry
and all I got was this lousy F-shirt."
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251076 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 21:27
alec  
In article <CWyZf.31$8q.4 [at] dukeread08>, pjamison2 [at] cox.net says...
>
> "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote in message
> news:e15gg7$2fvj$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
> > Aquarion wrote:
> >> 8'FED wrote:
> >
> >> That said, that is the fourth or so time someone's attempted to cast me
> >> as Michael Palin or vice versa, which is getting beyond coincidence.
> >
> > Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
> >
> > Eric Idle explains that John Cleese played "the cruel, heartless
> > bastard", Micheal Palin "the sweet and slightly ineffective lower
> > middle class person", and himself (Idle) "cheeky people or people who
> > are insanely optimistic".
> >
> > In an interview situation, Micheal Palin comes across as the most
> > laid-back and gentle of the four.
> >
> I agree with this. I've watched many of his travel documentaries and he
> always comes across as a friendly fellow. Somehow I can't picture him
> releasing a video named "How to Irritate People".

Reading his biography, it seems that one of the things that most annoys
him is this constant accusation of niceness. Unfortunately for him, it
seems to be true. Challenged to find examples of non-niceness, he
claimed that he could be quite grumpy first thing in the morning.

Thank heavens - he is actually human.
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251083 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 21:53
Leo Breebaart  
"pjamison2" <pjamison2 [at] cox.net> writes:

> > Eric Idle explains that John Cleese played "the cruel,
> > heartless bastard", Micheal Palin "the sweet and slightly
> > ineffective lower middle class person", and himself (Idle)
> > "cheeky people or people who are insanely optimistic".
> >
> > In an interview situation, Micheal Palin comes across as the
> > most laid-back and gentle of the four.
> >
> I agree with this. I've watched many of his travel
> documentaries and he always comes across as a friendly fellow.

Haven't been following this entire thread, so my apologies if
it's already been mentioned, but Terry Gilliam has said in an
interview he said that this perception of Michael Palin as a
really nice guy was precisely the reason why he decided to cast
him for _Brazil_ in the role of Jack Lint, the government
torturer.

--
Leo Breebaart <leo [at] lspace.org>
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251096 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 22:10
Torak  
pjamison2 wrote:
> "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>>In an interview situation, Micheal Palin comes across as the most
>>laid-back and gentle of the four.
>
> I agree with this. I've watched many of his travel documentaries and he
> always comes across as a friendly fellow. Somehow I can't picture him
> releasing a video named "How to Irritate People".

I loved that programme. Taped it, got it on CD...
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251113 ] Fr, 07 April 2006 22:17
Eric Jarvis  
Leo Breebaart leo [at] lspace.org wrote in <49nuafFpclr1U1 [at] individual.net>:
> "pjamison2" <pjamison2 [at] cox.net> writes:
>
> > > Eric Idle explains that John Cleese played "the cruel,
> > > heartless bastard", Micheal Palin "the sweet and slightly
> > > ineffective lower middle class person", and himself (Idle)
> > > "cheeky people or people who are insanely optimistic".
> > >
> > > In an interview situation, Micheal Palin comes across as the
> > > most laid-back and gentle of the four.
> > >
> > I agree with this. I've watched many of his travel
> > documentaries and he always comes across as a friendly fellow.
>
> Haven't been following this entire thread, so my apologies if
> it's already been mentioned, but Terry Gilliam has said in an
> interview he said that this perception of Michael Palin as a
> really nice guy was precisely the reason why he decided to cast
> him for _Brazil_ in the role of Jack Lint, the government
> torturer.
>

It's actually true of most actors who do a really good job of playing
villains. I've always assumed because it's easier for a really nice person
to explore the depths of human depravity secure in the knowledge that it
really isn't their bag.

--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251188 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 02:12
Lesley Weston  
in article MPG.1ea0cd8cdc8e6333989bc9 [at] news.individual.net, Alec Cawley at
alec [at] spamspam.co.uk wrote on 07/04/2006 12:27 PM:

> In article <CWyZf.31$8q.4 [at] dukeread08>, pjamison2 [at] cox.net says...
>>
>> "8'FED" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:e15gg7$2fvj$1 [at] mud.stack.nl...
>>> Aquarion wrote:
>>>> 8'FED wrote:
>>>
>>>> That said, that is the fourth or so time someone's attempted to cast me
>>>> as Michael Palin or vice versa, which is getting beyond coincidence.
>>>
>>> Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
>>>
>>> Eric Idle explains that John Cleese played "the cruel, heartless
>>> bastard", Micheal Palin "the sweet and slightly ineffective lower
>>> middle class person", and himself (Idle) "cheeky people or people who
>>> are insanely optimistic".
>>>
>>> In an interview situation, Micheal Palin comes across as the most
>>> laid-back and gentle of the four.
>>>
>> I agree with this. I've watched many of his travel documentaries and he
>> always comes across as a friendly fellow. Somehow I can't picture him
>> releasing a video named "How to Irritate People".
>
> Reading his biography, it seems that one of the things that most annoys
> him is this constant accusation of niceness. Unfortunately for him, it
> seems to be true. Challenged to find examples of non-niceness, he
> claimed that he could be quite grumpy first thing in the morning.
>
> Thank heavens - he is actually human.
>
I met him once, when he was at Oxford; I got taken to see him by a friend of
his that I briefly went out with. He made some very funny jokes, but when I
tried one of my own he froze me out - it was clear that at that time
(remember how young he was) the function of girls was to sit on his sofa
(which was easy), look pretty (which I was willing to try), admire his
cleverness (which was easy again), and one other that I wasn't asked to
attempt.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251194 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 02:18
Lesley Weston  
in article MPG.1ea0d941d14a72cc989ab4 [at] cenote.gkhs.net, Eric Jarvis at
web [at] ericjarvis.co.uk wrote on 07/04/2006 1:17 PM:

> Leo Breebaart leo [at] lspace.org wrote in <49nuafFpclr1U1 [at] individual.net>:
>> "pjamison2" <pjamison2 [at] cox.net> writes:
>>
>>>> Eric Idle explains that John Cleese played "the cruel,
>>>> heartless bastard", Micheal Palin "the sweet and slightly
>>>> ineffective lower middle class person", and himself (Idle)
>>>> "cheeky people or people who are insanely optimistic".
>>>>
>>>> In an interview situation, Micheal Palin comes across as the
>>>> most laid-back and gentle of the four.
>>>>
>>> I agree with this. I've watched many of his travel
>>> documentaries and he always comes across as a friendly fellow.
>>
>> Haven't been following this entire thread, so my apologies if
>> it's already been mentioned, but Terry Gilliam has said in an
>> interview he said that this perception of Michael Palin as a
>> really nice guy was precisely the reason why he decided to cast
>> him for _Brazil_ in the role of Jack Lint, the government
>> torturer.
>>
>
> It's actually true of most actors who do a really good job of playing
> villains. I've always assumed because it's easier for a really nice person
> to explore the depths of human depravity secure in the knowledge that it
> really isn't their bag.

Anthony Hopkins has said that he enjoys playing monsters because there's so
much more to the role. He seems to have had plenty of chances; we saw his
Titus Andronicus recently - decidedly over the top even before he started
doing Hannibal Lector and the song-and-dance routine. But then TA *is*
decidedly over the top - perhaps that's the only way to play him.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251210 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 03:35
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Alec Cawley wrote:
> pjamison2 [at] cox.net says...
>> 8'FED wrote:

>> > In an interview situation, Micheal Palin comes across as the most
>> > laid-back and gentle of the four.
>> >
>> I agree with this. I've watched many of his travel documentaries and he
>> always comes across as a friendly fellow. Somehow I can't picture him
>> releasing a video named "How to Irritate People".
>
> Reading his biography, it seems that one of the things that most annoys
> him is this constant accusation of niceness. Unfortunately for him, it

"Nice" isn't the word I'd use because it's not specific enough - they
_all_ come across as nice (except John Cleese whilst acting), but
Palin is, _in addition_ to nice, the most gentle and softly-spoken.

> seems to be true. Challenged to find examples of non-niceness, he
> claimed that he could be quite grumpy first thing in the morning.

http://pythonline.com/plugs/palin/notnicest.shtml

Adrian.
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251232 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 08:29
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Eric Jarvis wrote:

> It's actually true of most actors who do a really good job of playing
> villains. I've always assumed because it's easier for a really nice person
> to explore the depths of human depravity secure in the knowledge that it
> really isn't their bag.

I once saw an interview in which Jon Pertwee lamented the fact that
he'd never been cast in a villainous role for a change, and explained
that comedy and villainy seem to be connected somehow - actors that
are particularly good at comedy tend to be particularly good at
villainy also.

Adrian.
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251233 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 08:30
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Torak wrote:
> pjamison2 wrote:

>> I agree with this. I've watched many of his travel documentaries and he
>> always comes across as a friendly fellow. Somehow I can't picture him
>> releasing a video named "How to Irritate People".
>
> I loved that programme. Taped it, got it on CD...

My sister gave me the video for one of my past birthdays, along with a
note explaining that she knew I didn't really _need_ its advice. :-)

Adrian.
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251236 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 09:15
Brenda  
8'FED said:

> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
>> It's actually true of most actors who do a really good job of playing
>> villains. I've always assumed because it's easier for a really nice
>> person to explore the depths of human depravity secure in the knowledge
>> that it really isn't their bag.
>
> I once saw an interview in which Jon Pertwee lamented the fact that
> he'd never been cast in a villainous role for a change,

Worzel Gummidge (played by none other than Jon Pertwee) was an out-and-out
villain, as you will discover if you dig him out of your video archives and
observe his behaviour carefully - preferably with a clipboard to hand.

--
Richard Heathfield
"Usenet is a strange place" - dmr 29/7/1999
http://www.cpax.org.uk
email: rjh at above domain (but drop the www, obviously)
Re: [I] Tale not cancelled, nor sold [message #251388 ] Sa, 08 April 2006 23:15
Lesley Weston  
in article F4-dnbyBjY6D_qrZRVnygQ [at] bt.com, Richard Heathfield at
invalid [at] invalid.invalid wrote on 08/04/2006 12:15 AM:

> 8'FED said:
>
>> Eric Jarvis wrote:
>>
>>> It's actually true of most actors who do a really good job of playing
>>> villains. I've always assumed because it's easier for a really nice
>>> person to explore the depths of human depravity secure in the knowledge
>>> that it really isn't their bag.
>>
>> I once saw an interview in which Jon Pertwee lamented the fact that
>> he'd never been cast in a villainous role for a change,
>
> Worzel Gummidge (played by none other than Jon Pertwee) was an out-and-out
> villain, as you will discover if you dig him out of your video archives and
> observe his behaviour carefully - preferably with a clipboard to hand.

But loveable with it.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
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